What are the Fourth and Fifth Kingdoms?
The 4th and 5th Kingdoms Explained! Daniel 2:31-45 Commentary: Summary and Highlights
In the following commentary on Daniel 2:31-45, the historical fulfillment of Daniel 2:31-45 is explained and the fourth and fifth kingdoms are identified. The statue composed of four different metals represents the succession of empires that were to rule over Israel before the establishment of the fifth kingdom, the kingdom of God. Babylon is the head of gold; Medo-Persia, the chest and arms of silver; Greece, the belly and thighs of bronze; and Rome, the fourth kingdom, is the legs of iron. These four secular empires ruled over Israel before it grew to become a Christian nation during the thousand years between the Jewish War with Rome in A.D. 66 and the Crusades beginning in A.D. 1095. The fifth kingdom that supplants the fourth kingdom, Rome, is a spiritual kingdom; the kingdom of God, the Christian church. Regarding the arrival of this spiritual kingdom, Jesus says, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, “Look, here it is!’ or ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of heaven is in your midst.” In other words, the kingdom of God, the rock that grew into a mountain, is the body of Christ representing Jesus and His people, the church. This is why while in the presence of his disciples, Jesus says that “the kingdom of heaven is in your midst.” The spiritual and therefore unobservable nature of the kingdom of God may also be implied in 1 Corinthians 15:50: “[F]lesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.”
But doesn’t the shattering of the statue represent the fall of Rome? No! According to Daniel 2:44 all four parts of the statue signifying this succession of empires were all shattered simultaneously implying that they were all conquered at the same time. If one assumes that the shattering of the statue symbolizes the literal fall of the fourth kingdom, then one is compelled to concede that all the other kingdoms also fell at this time (Daniel 2:44). However, this is not what happened historically. Babylon fell in 539 BC. Medo-Persia fell in the fifth century B.C. The Greek Empire began its decline and eventual fall after the death of Alexander the Great in 323B.C. And Rome fell in A.D. 476. Thus the complete shattering of the statue symbolizing four different empires in Daniel 2:44 cannot signify the literal, earthly fall of any of these empires. Instead, the shattering of the statue represents the conquest of the territory once occupied by these empires, not their fall. (This conquest is by conversion in the case of Daniel 2:44.) This point is echoed in Daniel 2:40: “Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.” Neither Rome nor Greece caused the Babylonian Empire to fall. Thus regardless of whether one interprets Greece or Rome as the fourth kingdom, the shattering of the statue in Daniel 2 cannot symbolize the fall of any empire in an earthly, military sense.
The following may seem unbelievable to those unfamiliar with Roman history. However, all information is taken from unbiased historical sources and is easily verifiable.
What are the Fourth and Fifth Kingdoms?
31“You looked, O King, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. 32The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. 34While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth. 36“This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king. 37You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory; 38in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold. 39“After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. 40Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. 41Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay. 44“In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces. “The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.”
The 4th and 5th Kingdoms Explained! Daniel 2:31-45 Commentary: The Four Metals Represent Four Empires that were to Rule over Israel before the coming of the Kingdom of God.
Nebuchadnezzar saw a statue with a head of gold, chest and arms of silver, a belly of bronze and legs of iron.1 The statue composed of four different metals represents the succession of empires that would rule over Israel before the establishment of the kingdom of God. Babylon is the head of gold; followed by Medo-Persia represented by the chest and arms of silver; then Greece, the belly and thighs of bronze; and the fourth kingdom is Rome, the legs of iron.
The 4th and 5th Kingdoms Explained! Daniel 2:31-45 Commentary: If the Shattering of the Statue was Fulfilled in the Fall of Rome in A.D. 476, This Implies that the Parousia and Arrival of the Kingdom of God Occurred at That Time.
Many futurists and historists see the fall of Rome in A.D. 476 as the fulfillment of the shattering of the statue in Daniel 2. This interpretation is problematic. First of all, Christianity had already become the official state religion of Rome long before it fell. Furthermore, the stone that hits the feet of the statue symbolizes the second coming of Christ and the stone that grows into a mountain after breaking the statue is the kingdom of God. This interpretation places the second coming and the arrival of the kingdom of God in A.D. 476. But if the shattering of the statue does not symbolize the geopolitical fall of the Roman Empire, what does it symbolize? Before addressing this question, let us address an alternate interpretation.
The 4th and 5th Kingdoms Explained! Daniel 2:31-45 Commentary: If the Fourth Kingdom is Greece, This Implies that there was a Median Empire Separate and Distinct from the Persian Empire. There was No Median Empire.
Many interpreters see the four kingdoms of Daniel 2 as Babylon, Media, Persia and ultimately Greece. I disagree. The Medo-Persian Empire should not be divided into two separate empires. The reason why Media and Persia should not be divided is stated best by Phillip Carrington; dean of divinity at the University of Bishops College in Lennoxville, Quebec: “There never was a Median world-empire.”2 The Medes and Persians were a cohesive unit that toppled the Babylonian Empire. The four kingdoms of Daniel 2 are the same four kingdoms represented as four beasts in Daniel 7. Interestingly, in Daniel 8 the prophet sees a vision of a two-horned ram defeated by a one-horned goat representing Greece. The angel Gabriel interprets this vision for Daniel. And in Daniel 8:20 says that the two horns of the ram represent “the kings of Media and Persia.” If the kings of Media and Persia are represented by the two horns of one animal in Daniel 8, why would Daniel represent the Medes and Persians as two different animals in Daniel 7?
Furthermore, Daniel 6 mentions the “laws of the Medes and Persians” as a single governing body.3 The fact that there is no separate Median Empire is also implicit in Daniel 5:28. Here Daniel tells Belshazzar, “Your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.”4 The unification of the Medes and Persians is also implied in Daniel 7:5. Here the second beast is depicted raised-up higher on one side which is suggestive to many conservatives that the higher side represents the Persian rise to dominance within the Medo-Persian Empire.5
Not only does the Bible lump the Medes and the Persians into one cohesive unit, historically at the time of the fall of Babylon the Medes and the Persians were not two separate empires. In 550 B.C. the Median throne passed to Cyrus, the head of the Persian royal family. Media’s existence as a separate, independent kingdom ended at this time. Thus Media ceased to be an independent nation approximately eleven years before the fall of Babylon in 539 B.C.6 Cyrus the Persian usurped the Median throne by overthrowing his own maternal grandfather. Thus Cyrus had both Persian and Median blood and even ruled his empire from Ecbatana, the capital of Media.7 Thus labeling the second empire as Media is historically and Biblically inaccurate.
The 4th and 5th Kingdoms Explained! Daniel 2:31-45 Commentary: Earth can also be translated Land.
In v. 39 each empire is said to “rule over the whole earth.” The word translated earth in this verse can also be translated land. This would have been a more accurate translation since each empire did not rule over the entire world. This fact would have been well known to Daniel. Having served in the Babylon court, Daniel would have been well aware of the boundaries of this empire. Since all four empires of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream ruled over Israel before Jesus’ inauguration of the kingdom of God in the first century A.D., Daniel’s use of earth or land in this verse appears to denote the land of Israel.
This is the same symbolism found in the Book of Revelation where earth also represents Israel and sea, the Gentile nations. See In the Bible “Earth” Signifies the Specific Land Addressed While “Sea” Symbolizes Foreign Nations. The similarities in symbolism between both books are not surprising in light of the fact the heavenly scroll sealed in Daniel 12:4 is later opened in Revelation 5 and 6. In other words, both books seem to have received their information from the same heavenly scroll.
The 4th and 5th Kingdoms Explained! Daniel 2:31-45 Commentary: The Fourth Kingdom is Rome.
The feet of the statue are partly iron and partly baked clay; in vs. 41-43, Daniel interprets the meaning of the iron and clay symbolism. The prophet indicates that the iron and clay signify the fact that the fourth empire will be a divided kingdom. Comprised of a mixture of people, this kingdom will not remain united in the same way that iron does not mix with clay.8 The kingdom described in these verses is Rome.
As stated above, earth represents Israel. Thus the clay or earth portion of the feet of this statue is Israel. The fact that the final kingdom is a mixture of clay or earth and iron points to a blending of clay (Israel) and iron (Rome) at the time of the end. As a consequence of the Maccabean Wars Israel fought and gained sovereignty from Greece for a few brief years prior to assimilating into the Roman Empire. This historical fact appears to be implied by this mixture of earth (Israel) and iron (Rome) at the time of the end. Furthermore, along similar lines the fact that the iron and the clay or earth do not mix seems to represent the fact that Israel, the earth or clay, revolted against Rome, the iron part, in A.D. 66 during the Jewish War.
The 4th and 5th Kingdoms Explained! Daniel 2:31-45 Commentary: The Fifth Kingdom is the Kingdom of God, the Church.
The last kingdom may seem very different from the previous four but as will be addressed shortly, the statue comprised of four kingdoms appears to be very similar to the fifth kingdom in a very fundamental way. According to v. 44 the fifth kingdom “will never be destroyed.” This fact implies that the fifth kingdom is spiritual. Throughout His ministry, Jesus taught that the kingdom of heaven had arrived. As the Jewish Messiah, Jesus identified Himself as a king but not a king of this world. He had come from heaven and His kingdom was a spiritual or heavenly one: “My kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36).” The kingdom that Jesus referred to in John 18:36 is the same kingdom He discussed over and over throughout His ministry—the kingdom of heaven also called the kingdom of God. This is the same kingdom foreseen in Daniel 2 as the rock that grew into a mountain. Confirming the spiritual and non-earthly nature of this kingdom, the kingdom of God, 1 Corinthians 15:50 reads, “I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.” This spiritual or heavenly kingdom immediately infiltrated pagan Rome. And one by one Romans began converting to Christianity and the kingdom of God spread like yeast through dough just as Jesus predicted in Matthew 13:31-33. This gradual conversion also appears to be symbolized in Daniel 2:35 when the rock that struck the statute is said to grow to become a huge mountain. Then in the beginning of the fourth century, Rome crowned its first Christian emperor. Shortly thereafter Christianity became the official state religion of Rome, and this spiritual kingdom called the kingdom of God had grown into a giant mountain or kingdom.
In Matthew 21:43-45, Jesus is recorded to have said, ‘“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.’ When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them.” This is a direct reference to Daniel 2. Here Jesus identifies himself as the rock cut, but not by human hands and the fifth kingdom as the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven in Daniel 2:44-45. The rock in Daniel 2:45 is said to have been cut out of a mountain. Presumably composed of the clay that mixed poorly with the feet of the statue, this mountain is a kingdom: the earthly kingdom of Israel. However, this mountain kingdom is also the kingdom of heaven which came from heaven to earth with Jesus. Jesus’ heavenly origin is made explicit in John 3:13. Here Jesus says, “No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.”
After Jesus’ death, Jesus needed someone to lead and teach His people. Jesus told Simon to do this. Adopting the symbolism of Daniel 2:34-35, Jesus gave Simon the name Peter, a name meaning rock, because it was Peter who would build the Christian church: “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it (Matthew 16:17-18).” Jesus’ teachings spread. And the rock grew into a mountain that filled the land. As stated in Daniel 2:44-45, this mountain is a kingdom. Interestingly, throughout the Gospels Jesus referred to His church as the kingdom of God. The church is also called a kingdom or nation in 1 Peter 2:9 and Matthew 21:43. (Matthew 21:43 reads, “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people [nation] who will produce its fruit.” People should actually be translated nation.) Therefore, the mountain in Daniel 2:44-45 is a metaphor for the church, the new kingdom of God.
Luke 20:17-18 is similar to Matthew 21:43-44 and further solidifies the fact that the mountain of Daniel 2:34-35 is the church: “‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone’[.] Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed (Luke 20:17-18).” As is the case in Matthew 21:43-44 quoted above, Luke 20:17-18 also directly points to Daniel 2. However, in Luke 20:17-18 the stone that breaks the statue in Daniel 2 is identified as a cornerstone. The cornerstone is the first stone to be set in place in the construction of a building’s foundation. The building in which Jesus identifies himself as the cornerstone in Luke 20:17-18 is the Christian church which is said to be a temple in 2 Corinthians 6:16: “For we [the church] are the temple of the living God.” When the stone which breaks the feet of the statue and then grows into a mountain in Daniel 2:34-35 is likened to a cornerstone, the first stone set in the construction of a building, in Luke 20:17-18 this fact echoes the idea that the mountain that replaces the statue in Daniel 2 is the Christian church also known as the Temple of God or the kingdom of God throughout the New Testament.
The 4th and 5th Kingdoms Explained! Daniel 2:31-45 Realized Eschatology Commentary: The Clay Portion of the Statue Represents Israel as Strongly Implied by Matthew 21:43-45.
The next major point implied in a side-by-side comparison of Daniel 2 and Matthew 21:43-45 is the idea that the clay portion of the statue appears almost certainly to represent earthly Israel. Let us look again at Matthew 21:43-45: ‘“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.’ When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them.” Notice that in Matthew 21:43-45 Jesus was talking to the chief priests and the Pharisees when He said that the kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to a people who would “produce its fruit.” This change appears to occur at the time in which the stone falls and crushes the kingdom of the chief priests and Pharisees in v. 24. This change in which the kingdom would transition between the old covenant Jews and the kingdom of God, the Christian church referred to in Matthew 21:43-45, is a direct allusion to the rock shattering the feet of the statute in Daniel 2:34: “While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them.” Notice that according to Daniel 2:34 the feet hit by the rock are composed of both iron and clay. According to Matthew 21:43-45 Jesus says that the rock would strike Israel since after saying that the rock would shatter anything it falls on the Pharisees “knew he was talking about them (Matthew 21:45).” The fact that the Pharisees knew that Jesus was saying that the rock would strike them, of course, implies that the rock would strike Israel or the Jews. Given the fact that all the metal of the statues represent the succession of four Gentile empires that ruled over Israel before the establishment of the kingdom of God, this implies that the clay portion of the feet must represent earthly Israel since the metal portion represents Gentile Rome.9
Though it is never stated that this statue has ten toes–it likely did. In Daniel 2:42 these toes are said to be composed partly of iron and partly, clay or earth: “As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle (Daniel 2:42).” Iron like all the metals in the statue I believe represents Gentile empires that had conquered Israel, the earth or clay. Thus the fact that the toes are said to be a mixture of both iron and clay points to a Gentile (metal) and Israelite (earth) significance to these ten toes.
The clay portion of the ten toes may represent the lost ten tribes of Israel. In Matthew 15:24 Jesus says, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” Jesus clarifies who these lost sheep are in Matthew 10:5-6: “These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: ‘Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.’” Notice that Jesus refers to the lost sheep of Israel as just the inhabitants of Israel, not those scattered throughout the nations by the Assyrians in the eighth century B.C. Furthermore, in Isaiah 64:8 and Jeremiah 18:6 the people of Israel are symbolized by clay like the clay mixed with iron in Daniel 2. Isaiah 64:8 reads, “Yet you, Lord, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Jeremiah 18:6 echoes Isaiah 64:8: ‘“Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel.”10
Daniel 2:43 says that the iron (Gentile Rome) would not mix with the clay (Israel) and thus the people would not remain united: “And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.” This prophecy in which the iron would not remain united with the clay was fulfilled in A.D. 66 when Israel revolted against Rome.11
The fact that the clay of the statue represents Israel is also implied by the fact that earth or clay is essentially what stones and mountains are made of like the stone and mountain that crushed the metal statue in v. 34. Earth or clay is essentially pulverized rock. And rocks are essentially hardened earth. As stated above, the rock that came from heaven is Jesus, a Jew. Thus if this interpretation is true, it is not surprising that a rock, hardened earth, which is Jesus Christ, a Jew, shattered the metal or Gentile statue.
What about the mountain? Does the mountain also represent the Jews and/or Israel? Yes. One of the central tenets of the New Testament is that the kingdom of God, the Christian Church, is the new Israel: “Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God (Galatians 6:15-16).” Here one can see that according to Galatians 6:15-16, the Christian church is “the Israel of God.” Galatians 3:9 also indicates that the Church is the new Israel: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Romans 2:28-29 again conveys this idea: “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter.” The fact that the Church is the new Israel is similarly illustrated in Romans 11. Here Christians are grafted into an olive tree representing Israel while many of the old branches representing unbelieving Jews are removed from the tree. The above vs. are just a small sample of those that teach that the Christian church, the kingdom of God, is the New Israel. Here one can see that the mountain that shatters the metal statue is this new Israel, the Christian Church also known as the kingdom of God.12
In Luke 17:20-21 Jesus says, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, “Look, here it is!’ or ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of heaven is in your midst.” In other words, the kingdom of heaven, the rock that grew into a mountain, is the body of Christ representing Jesus and His people, the saints. This is why while in the presence of His disciples and followers, Jesus says that “the kingdom of heaven is in your midst.” The spiritual and therefore unobservable nature of the kingdom of God is also implicit in 1 Corinthians 15:50: “[F]lesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.”
The conquest and spread of this spiritual kingdom (Christianity, the kingdom of God, and the new covenant) after the end of the age is predicted in Daniel 7:26-27:
‘But the court will sit, and his power [the beast representing Rome] will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.’
The conquest of Christianity predicted in Daniel 7:26-27 is also symbolized in Daniel 2:44-45:
In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
“[T]he kingdom that will never be destroyed” in Daniel 2:44 is the kingdom of God, the Christian Church which is the new covenant. In the above verses, this kingdom is said to “crush” or conquer all the previous four empires. As Christianity spread throughout the previous four empires, the kingdom of the world had been gradually conquered by the saints as more and more people came to submit to the heavenly kingship of Christ thereby becoming part of the kingdom of heaven, the Christian Church.
But how is it that the church could be said to have dominion over secular Rome in A.D. 70 before its full conversion? 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 indicates that the Christian saints would judge the world and even angels: “Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels?” Echoing 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 Jesus says the following to the church at Thyatira in Revelation 2:26-27: “To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give that one the morning star.” How is it that the meek and lowly saints inherited dominion over the earth (Matthew 5:5)? I believe the answer is hinted at in Daniel 4:26: “The command to leave the stump of the tree with its roots means that your kingdom will be restored to you when you acknowledge that Heaven rules [emphasis mine].” Of course God rules the world (Daniel 4:17) from His throne in heaven (Psalm 11:4; 1 Kings 22:19; Isaiah 6:1; 63:15; Matthew 5:34; 23:22). Similarly Jesus also rules in heaven at the right hand of the Father (John 18:36, Acts 7:56, Hebrews 8:1, Revelation 3:21). Daniel 4:17 explicitly teaches that heaven rules over the earth. Thus just as God and His Son rule the world from heavenly thrones, the saints having received dominion and authority from Jesus (1 Corinthians 6:2-3, Revelation 2:26-27) are promised that they shall also rule when they enter heaven at the resurrection in A.D. 70 and thereafter (Revelation 14:3; 21:24-27). See 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18: Preterism, the Rapture and the Resurrection. Thus the saints literally and spiritually conquer and exercise their dominion over the earth including secular Rome through the authority they receive while in heaven after the resurrection of the dead in A.D. 70.
Thus because the dominion of the saints is a spiritual or heavenly dominion and the Christian church on earth is a spiritual or heavenly kingdom, not a purely earthly or secular one like the previous four kingdoms, the shattering of the statue which signifies the conquest of these empires cannot represent the literal fall of any of these empires in the same way that Medo-Persia supplanted Babylon which was then later defeated by Greece and Greece, by Rome. If the shattering of this statue represents the literal fall of these four empires in an earthly sense, this interpretation would imply that the kingdom of God is a physical kingdom like Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece or Rome that could be observed in violation of Luke 17:20-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:50. Would one expect a secular empire to fall in a mundane or military sense upon the arrival of a spiritual one? The kingdom of God on earth and in heaven is not an earthly or fleshly kingdom. Therefore the conquest of these previous empires is not to be understood as a literal, physical military conquest. In other words, the shattering of the statue does not predict the actual fall of the Roman Empire. This interpretation is corroborated by Daniel 2:34-35 and Daniel 7:11-12 as well as the fact that the Roman Empire did not actually fall until A.D. 476.
Daniel 2:34-35 Preterist Commentary: Why the Shattering of the Statue CANNOT Represent the Geopolitical Fall of the Fourth Kingdom.
According to Daniel 2:34-35 all four parts of the statue signifying this succession of empires were all shattered simultaneously: “While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer [emphasis mine].” (Daniel 2:34-35) If the shattering of the statue represents the geopolitical fall of the fourth kingdom, the fact that all four of these metals shattered “at the same time” in Daniel 2:34-35 implies the previous three empires; Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece; also fell geopolitically at that time! Yet Babylon fell in 539 BC.; Medo-Persia, in the fifth century B.C.; and Greece began a slow decline beginning in 323B.C. Here we see that the shattering of the statue cannot represent the geopolitical fall of Rome or any other kingdom.
The fact that “shattering” does not represent the geopolitical fall of a kingdom is also echoed in Daniel 2:40: “Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others [emphasis mine].” (Though in truth a literal translation of Dan 2:40 does not explicitly say that the iron of the statue would crush the previous three metals. The text literally reads, “And the kingdom fourth shall be as strong as iron all—inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything and like iron that crushed all these [that kingdom] will break in pieces and crush.”) If crushing or shattering symbolizes the geopolitical fall of an empire, then Daniel 2:40 suggests that Rome, the fourth kingdom, caused all three previous empires to fall. Of course, Rome did not cause the head of gold, Babylon, to fall in 539 B.C. Rome also had no part in the fall of the Medo-Persian Empire in the fifth century B.C. Thus, it is clear that this crushing or shattering symbolism represents something other than the fall of a kingdom.
Shattering represents conquest or dominion. Although Rome did not cause any of the three previous empires to fall–Rome did not even cause the geopolitical fall of the Greek Empire–Rome did conquer much of the territory once held by its three predecessors. There is a difference between conquest and causing the geopolitical fall of an empire. For example, it is possible for a kingdom, like Rome, to conquer part of a neighboring empire’s territory and yet still not cause this empire to fall—and, in fact, Rome did do this.13 Here we see what is meant when the fourth kingdom is said to shatter the other empires in Daniel 2:35-35, 40.
The idea that the shattering of the components of the statue does not denote the fall of any of these empires is again confirmed by Daniel 7:11-12: “Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)” Daniel 7:11-12 explicitly states that at the arrival of the kingdom of God that the first three empires continued to “live” even after each empire fell.14 Here we see that the death of the beast also cannot symbolize the geopolitical fall of a kingdom. If the death of the beast symbolizes a geopolitical fall, then all three of the previous beasts should be dead after they each fell. And yet Daniel 7:11-12 explicitly says that these three beasts were still alive after having fallen. If the death of the beast symbolizes a geopolitical fall, why are the three previous beasts still alive after they fell, why are these beasts also not dead? Like the shattering of the statue in Daniel 2, the death of the beast also cannot represent the geopolitical fall of a kingdom.
In the commentary on Revelation 13, I explain that the beast of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 is Dynastic Rome. Here I explain that the first head of the beast is Julius Caesar. If the first head of the beast is Julius Caesar (46–44 B.C.) this means that the beast had come into existence even before Rome officially became an empire (31 B.C.). If the beast began to exist even before Rome became an empire, then, of course, one should not expect Rome to fall or cease being an empire when the beast dies.
Having explained how the shattering of the statue does not represent the earthly fall of an empire, this means that the shattering of the statue in Daniel 2:34-35 also does not and cannot symbolize the geo-political fall of the Rome as is commonly supposed. As stated above, if one assumes that the shattering of the statue in vs. 34-35 symbolizes the earthly political or economic fall of the fourth kingdom, then one is compelled to concede that all the other kingdoms also fell in a political and economic sense at this time (Daniel 2:44). However, as stated above this is not what happened historically. Each empire represented by the different metal components of the statue fell at different times. Thus the complete shattering of the statue symbolizing four different empires in Daniel 2:44 cannot signify the literal, earthly fall of any of these empires. Instead, the shattering of the statue represents the spiritual conquest of these empires by the mountain of v. 35 which as stated above is a spiritual kingdom, the kingdom of God.
If the fifth kingdom, the mountain of v. 35, is a spiritual kingdom, would not one expect it to conquer the previous empires in a spiritual sense? And if the metal statue as a whole is “shattered” or conquered by a spiritual kingdom, what does that imply about the true nature of the metal statue? Would it not make more sense for a spiritual kingdom to conquer another spiritual kingdom rather than a purely earthly one?
Initially the rise and fall of empires is signified by the gradual transition of metals from the head of the statue to its feet. If a new earthly empire were to conquer and replace the fourth empire we would expect this to be represented by just another transition to another metal. However, upon the arrival of the kingdom of God the entire statue is shattered. Not only is the entire statue shattered at the arrival of the kingdom of God, the kingdom of God is symbolized by rock or earth rather than metals. I believe this transition from metal to earth marks the change from one spiritual kingdom to another. The fact that two completely different structures (i.e. a metal statue and a mountain) mark the shattering of the statue implies that something much more significant is happening. The fifth kingdom is completely unlike the four-metal statue because it was a new spiritual or heavenly regime.
As stated above, the people of God where first given dominion over the whole world when they entered heaven at the resurrection (Daniel 4:26; Matthew 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:2-3; Revelation 2:26-27; 14:3; 21:24-27). Yet prior to the dominion of the saints in heaven, there was the heavenly dominion of Satan. In John 12:31, Jesus says, “Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.” The “prince of this world” who “will be driven out” according to John 12:31 is identified as Satan in Revelation 12:7-11. In these verses we also see Satan, the “prince of this world,” cast out of heaven to make way for the heavenly reign of the saints:
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. (Revelation 12:7-11.)
In Revelation 12:7-11 we see that the saints begin to reign after Satan is cast out of heaven. The fact that Satan was the heavenly ruler over the world prior to the shattering of the statue at the Parousia is also implied in Matthew 4:8-9. Here Satan shows Jesus “all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. ‘All this I will give you,’ he said, ‘if you will bow down and worship me.’” In Isaiah 24:21 we see that God punishes the rulers of heaven together with the rulers of the earth: “It shall come to pass in that day that the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones, and on earth the kings of the earth.” In the shattering of the statue in Daniel 2 we see God triumphing over these wicked heavenly rulers under Satan’s authority.
The fact that the metal statue of Daniel 2 represents the authority of Satan over the world at that time is also implicit in 2 Corinthians 4:4 where the devil is called the “god of this age”: “The god of this age [Satan] has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” The “age” spoken of above appears to be “the present evil age” also mentioned in Galatians 1:4. This “evil age” (Galatians 1:4) ruled by the “god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4) appears to be a reference to the age in which Satan ruled over the earth denoted by the metal statue of Daniel 2. This idea is also hinted at in Ephesians 6:12: “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.” In Ephesians 6:12 we again see how Satan rules from a throne in heaven just as do the saints after Michael cast Satan out of heaven in Revelation 12:7-11. For additional evidence that Satan is the God or prince of this world or the god of this age also see Ephesians 2:2, John 14:30 and John 16:11.
The idea that Satan is the heavenly authority over the earth also explains why human rulers, his appointed agents, are often depicted in ambiguous terms is if they are Satan himself as is the case with the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 and the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14:3-20. Also, King Herod’s attempt to kill Jesus in Revelation 12:4 is ultimately attributed to the actions of Satan in Revelation 12:4, 9.
The fact that Satan was the heavenly ruler over the earth prior to the heavenly reign of Jesus and the saints implies that the four-metal statue of Daniel 2 is a symbol of the devil’s kingdom. The fact that Satan’s kingdom is completely shattered all at one time in Daniel 2:34-35 thus appears to symbolize Jesus’ and His saints’ conquest of Satan’s throne at the Parousia. At that time Jesus and His people began their rule over the world from heaven in the place of Satan’s previously wicked heavenly reign.
The next end time prophecy is found in Daniel 7. Here Daniel is given a glimpse of the beast of Revelation. In chapter 7, Daniel is shown a vision of the distant future; and like the dream described above, Daniel’s predictions again unfold with mysterious accuracy.
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The 4th and 5th Kingdoms Explained! Daniel 2:31-45, A Covenant Eschatology Commentary: Conclusion
In the above “A.D. 70 Doctrine” commentary on Daniel 2:31-45, the historical fulfillment of Daniel 2:31-45 was explained and the fourth and fifth kingdoms were identified.
“Hyper Preterism” and Daniel 2:31-45 Commentary: The 4th and 5th Kingdoms Explained!
- The statue of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream may be the same statue mentioned in Daniel 3 with some changes made to the materials used in the statue.
- Phillip Carrington, The Meaning of Revelation, (Eugene, OR: Wipf and Stock Publishers, 2007), 33.
- John S. Evans, The Four Kingdoms of Daniel: A Defense of the “Roman” Sequence with AD 70 Fulfillment, (USA: Xulon Press, 2004), 73.
- Ibid., 74.
- Ibid., 73.
- Ibid., 72.
- John S. Evans, The Prophecies of Daniel 2, (USA: Xulon Press, 2008), 38.
- Composed of the same basic material as the rock and mountain, the clay seems to represent the saints, the Israel of God.
- But how was the clay representing Israel ever united with the iron representing Rome? I believe that this unification of Israel and Rome signified by the mixing of iron and clay is also symbolized in Revelation 17. The New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) of Daniel 2:43 reads, “As you saw the iron mixed with clay, so will they mix with one another in marriage,[by human seed] but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.” Daniel 2:43 seems to point to the adulterous affair between Jerusalem and Rome suggested in Revelation 17. Here the Whore of Babylon representing Jerusalem is depicted siting on the beast which is Rome. This sexually suggestive symbolism appears to portray Jerusalem in the act of adultery with Rome which is why she is called the Whore of Babylon. Babylon was the Jews’ nickname for Rome dating as far back as the first-century B.C. as stated plainly in 1QpHab of the Dead Sea Scrolls. 1 Corinthians 6:16 reads, “[T]he one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her[.] For He says, “The two shall become one flesh.” This figurative, illicit sexual union between Jerusalem and Rome which caused the two cities to become one flesh as in a marriage between husband and wife appears to also be symbolized in Daniel 2:43 as iron and clay mixing together as in marriage: “As you saw the iron [Rome] mixed with clay [Israel/Jerusalem], so will they mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.” But as stated in Daniel 2:43 the iron and clay do not remain united. This separation of the iron and clay fulfilled in Israel’s revolt against Rome in A.D. 66 is also mentioned in Revelation 17. Revelation 17:16 reads, “The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.” Israel’s revolt against Rome in A.D. 66 which caused Rome, the beast of Revelation 17 and the iron of Daniel 2, to bring Jerusalem, the whore of Babylon and clay of Daniel 2, to ruin in Revelation 17:16 is how the iron and clay do not hold together in Daniel 2:43 (see the preterist commentary on Revelation 17).
- John S. Evans, The Prophecies of Daniel 2, (USA: Xulon Press, 2008), 111.
- John S. Evans, The Prophecies of Daniel 2, (USA: Xulon Press, 2008), 110-111; 114-115.
- Just like the seven heads of the beast of Revelation 17:9-10 represent both seven kings as well as seven hills, I believe that the ten toes of the statue also have dual meaning. I believe the clay component of these ten toes representing the ten lost tribes of Israel are also the ten horns mentioned in Revelation 17:12 who had not yet received their kingdom at the time in which John composed his vision. I believe the clay portion of these ten toes who did not remain united with the iron in Daniel 2:43 also represents the ten Zealot leaders who revolted against Rome at the start of the Jewish revolt. These ten Zealot leaders are listed by Josephus in The Wars of the Jews:
But as to those who had pursued after Cestius, when they were returned back to Jerusalem, they overbore some of those that favored the Romans by violence, and some them persuaded [by en-treaties] to join with them, and got together in great numbers in the temple, and appointed a great many generals for the war. Joseph also, the son of Gorion, and Ananus the high priest, were chosen as governors of all affairs within the city[. . . .] They also chose other generals for Idumea; Jesus, the son of Sapphias, one of the high priests; and Eleazar, the son of Ananias, the high priest; they also enjoined Niger, the then governor of Idumea, who was of a family that belonged to Perea, beyond Jordan, and was thence called the Peraite, that he should be obedient to those fore-named commanders. Nor did they neglect the care of other parts of the country; but Joseph the son of Simon was sent as general to Jericho, as was Manasseh to Perea, and John, the Esscue, to the toparchy of Thamna; Lydda was also added to his portion, and Joppa, and Emmaus. But John, the son of Matthias, was made governor of the toparchies of Gophnitica and Acrabattene; as was Josephus, the son of Matthias, of both the Galilees. Gamala also, which was the strongest city in those parts, was put under his command [emphasis mine]. (Josephus The Wars of the Jews 2.20.3-4.)
The fact that the clay portion of the ten toes represents Israel and its Zealot leaders makes sense of the fact that the iron or Roman component of this statue does not mix with the clay or Israelite portion in Daniel 2:40-43 as Israel under the leadership of these ten men revolted against Rome in A.D. 66.
Above we addressed the symbolism of the mountain, rock, clay and earth and how these symbols all point to Israel and the new Israel of God. We also pointed out in alignment with this idea the fact that the clay portion of the ten toes of Daniel 2 represents the lost ten tribes of Israel as well as the ten Zealot leaders/governors. That having been said, let us now focus on the iron component of these ten toes. The iron or Gentile Roman portion of the ten toes also seems to signify the ten horns. In Daniel 7, the fourth beast, also representing Rome, has ten horns. Daniel 7:24 says that these ten horns are ten kings who will arise out of the fourth kingdom: “The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this [fourth] kingdom.” The fact that these ten toes appear to signify the ten horns of Daniel 7 seems to be implied in Daniel 2:44. In Daniel 2:40-43 Daniel mentions the fourth kingdom with its toes that were a mixture of iron and clay. Then in the following verse, Daniel says, “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people (Daniel 2:44).” When Daniel 2:44 mentions “the time of those kings” when referring to the time in which the rock strikes the statue on the ten toes, it seems to me that Daniel 2:44 is implying that the iron portion of these ten toes are also ten kings. This interpretation appears to be confirmed by Roman history.
As is explained in Daniel 7: A Preterist Commentary, I believe that the iron component of these ten horns (or ten toes) are the first ten Caesars ending in the tenth, Caesar Vespasian. The fact that the statue has ten toes at the time in which it is completely shattered by the stone from heaven representing the kingdom of heaven may suggest that the kingdom of God began to take firm hold during the reign of the tenth Caesar, Vespasian. (Duncan W. McKenzie, Ph.D., The Antichrist and the Second Coming: A Preterist Examination Volume 1: Daniel and 2 Thessalonians (USA: Xulon Press, 2009), 84.) It was during Vespasian’s reign (A.D. 69 to A.D. 79) that the Jewish War ended and the customs of the Law were fulfilled as is evidenced by the fact that much of the Law of Moses could no longer be performed after the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70. This event vindicated Christian prophecy and the Christian faith as a whole. And as is suggested in this chapter, the kingdom of God began to grow like the rock from heaven that grew into a mountain in Daniel 2:34-35. Thus there appears to be both a Jewish and Roman component to the ten toes or ten horns as is implied by the fact that the ten toes are said to be a mixture of iron and clay in v. 41: “Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron [emphasis mine.]” The iron component of the ten toes or ten horns represents the ten Caesars mentioned in detail in Daniel 7 while the clay portion of these ten toes or ten horns also referred to in Revelation 17:12 refers to the ten Zealot leaders.
- The fact that Rome conquered much of the territory of the Babylonian, Medo-Perisan and Greek Empires is symbolized in Rev 13:2. Here the beast of Revelation 13 also symbolizing Rome is said to resemble a leopard, have the feet of a bear and mouth of a lion. This chimerical appearance of the beast is an allusion to the four empires of Daniel 7 in which like the transitions of metals in this chapter represent Babylon (lion), Medo-Persian (bear), and Greece (leopard). The fact that Rome is a chimera comprised of Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece symbolizes the fact that Rome conquered much of the territory of these previous three empires.
- The fact that the three beasts lose their dominion yet continue to exist until the time of the fourth beast is another way of saying that the government and dominion of these empires ceased to exist but that their people remained. In other words, when Medo-Persia conquered Babylon, the people of Babylon were under the political dominion of the Medo-Persians and the territory of the Babylonian Empire converted into being identified as Medo-Persian. Then when Greece conquered the Medo-Persian Empire, this territory transferred to Greek rule and was identified as Greek. (Jessie E. Mills, Jr., Daniel Fulfilled Prophecy, (Bradford, PA: International Preterist Association, Inc., 2003), 91-92).